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Reply #15 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 12:00pm
 
Vicky wrote on Apr 27th, 2012 at 11:51am:
Anyone can connect to their higher self, mature or not, experienced or not.  Your definition of what that kind of connection means is obviously different from mine. 


  Yes they can, with the proper awareness of how Reality works and the Laws which govern same.  Less mature folks, on their own without this proper awareness or practice, tend to connect to more limited and limiting levels and forces.  That's all i am saying, and have been saying.  It's what Ah So also tries to point out in that guidance session.

  Those more mature and centered automatically tend, on average, to connect more with their Expanded Consciousness Essence or even more expanded levels than that, for our ECE's are neither fully Christed until one of us, in the physical, becomes fully Christed.  Once that happens and all parts of self are retrieved, then do we move out of this Universe and become Co-Creators with Source of other Realities and individual Consciousnesses. 

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Reply #16 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 12:24pm
 
Ok, now I can see where we differ greatly in what we talk about.  In my view and beliefs, there isn't just one Reality and that we live here trying to uncover all the layers until we see that Reality finally for what it truly is and once we do, we've reached our goal.  Your definition of what you aspire to in your definition of Reality, to me, is limited.  I get your intention and your point, but I don't agree with your interpretation of it.  That's all I'm saying.  You seem to be getting at the fact that we need to "reach" this destination of oneness, completeness, and sense of true self and being.  Whereas I know and believe I'm already there.  Everyone is.  It's more a matter of persective than it is about getting there.  Look at it this way Justin, you already are and already can be the oneness you desire to attain.  But for right now, a small sliver of your consciousness is "busy" being focused on having a human life existence.  Meanwhile, other parts of you are doing other things, in other focuses of reality.  Your sense of self "here" feels like it needs to attain something and reach something in order to be "whole" again.  But you already are whole, you just don't see it that way from your current perspective. 

When I have moments of the strongest connection to my Guidance/higher self that I've ever had, for a moment I don't feel that separation.  I see things differently, feel differently, all because of the difference of perspective at the moment.  It doesn't last long.  Then I'm back "here" again.  Yes, it gives a feeling of wanting/needing to aspire to it, reach it, attain it, strive to be "good enough" to have it.  The truth is, it never went anywhere.  You (or I) never really "went" anywhere.  There is no true separation, only the illusion of it. 

Didn't Bardo say it's all relative?  I agree. 

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Reply #17 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
  Rather i see it as both simultaneously Vicky.  The Yin side of Consciousness knows and sees it as an inherent reality, which is relatively true.

The Yang side sees it as a striving, a co-creating, a choosing--the more active and freewill side.  This is also relatively true.

  It's when you can see, perceive, and live both simultaneously that you truly know and live the truth.  Most being imbalanced between their Yin and Yang proportions within and not having these merged within, focus on one over or for the lack of the other. 

However, in some ways, the Yang side of it, while here, is more important to counter balance the strong collective slow vibratory nature of this dimension.  It is not simply enough to "know" or understand that we are One, we are Love, we must actively live and choose that as well. 

  For, if we don't constantly choose and strive to become that Whole, and we choose to be overly passive and Yin, we stay stuck and suffering and we also help to keep the stuck parts of the Whole also stuck and suffering. 

   It is so important to wake up while in this physical focus, for if we do that, we can raise up others in their endeavor.  What is the physical?  The dense physical is that which got created, when we chose to not live Reality.  It got manifested by a collective doing this, but the Creative Forces also got involved and shaped the physical to become a level of catalyst for waking up.  They gave us the proper tools while having parts of us stuck here within our slow vibratory levels of self.  Proper tools such as proper vehicles. 

  Why are we here Vicky, if not for spiritual growth and becoming that perfection that we inherently are?   Are you wiser and more aware than Yeshua, is Bruce Moen?  He taught and teaches very differently than do you and Bruce does in certain areas, and he asks many of us daily to follow in his footsteps because it's important and it's about and for the Healing of the Whole so that Whole can be truly and fully Whole.   

  That's all i care about.  I'm done with just being human and all the limitations, attachments, etc.  During a group partnered exploration, a fellow group member got something from guidance about me, which he misinterpreted, but the message itself was clear.  He was told, "Justin is not interested in color anymore."  This means i'm interested in the White Light and in completion. 

  In this world, this makes me very strange and hard to comprehend or understand for most, and many become easily intolerant of me.  It's the same thing which the Teacher experienced in his relationships and interactions with other humans.

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Reply #18 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 3:05pm
 
Regarding the perceiver/interpreter thing, I've received thousands of symbolic visual messages that have appeared to me precisely how my guidance intended them to appear.  The interpretation factor comes in when I interpret the meaning of the images.

A lot of these messages served the point of helping me grow spiritually. They pointed to aspects of mind that limited me and expanded possibilities I could tune into. The more I've responded to such hints the more I have grown.  This being the case, I do not believe I am "whole" now. Souls do go through a process of evolution.

When it comes to who we connect to, I believe that each of us has a natural tendency to connect to positive guidance.  However, going my experience and the experience of others unfrienly influences do try to mislead people.  In Ultimate Journey Robert Monroe discussed with his I-there how such unwanted contact takes place. Therefore, it is important to always be discriminitive about the kind of information we receive.

There have been times in the past when I've been overzealous with passing on information I believe to helpful.  When we share information we need to remember that if somebody hasn't asked us to play the role of their teacher then we shouldn't do so. We have to find a more cordial way to share what we've learned. Since a listener's receptiveness is the key factor that makes a difference, there is no need to use an overbearing approach (there might be occasional exceptions).

When it comes to Vicky's state of being, she seems like a person of integrity and this is really key. 
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Reply #19 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 3:46pm
 
I appreciate your comment about me Albert. 

I get a lot of visual images in messages too, and I usually tend to find that the images are symbolic which means they were already interpreted and there's no more need to interpret.  Fortunately there seems to always be a factor of feeling which seems much more easy to get and never needs interpretation. 

I've noticed on certain levels of consciousness, that information coming in to my awareness (say it's about something that's going to happen in my near future) comes in first by "information" which for me is usually literal words.  It's always in the 2nd person speaking to me, and it's straight-forward need-to-know only.  Short and concise.  Along with that comes the visual picture or representation which in no uncertain terms backs up that information.  And along with that then comes feeling.  These three components are all intertwined and I notice each distinctly.  If I were to only receive the words, the feeling, or the picture I bet I'd be confused.  And in fact, years ago I was less accostomed and less experienced and I think I ended up confused and ignoring a lot of what I was receiving.  But I think I've "developed" it this way only because of the way in which I take in information and learn.  It may not always stay this way and/or may not work the same for everyone.  It's just what I've noticed in me for a few years now. 

I still have yet to receive "future" information that hasn't come true.  I suppose that when I'm finally dying, hopefully a few decades from now and not any time soon, that's when I'll know for sure if some things just are not going to come true at all.  Then I won't have much time to wonder why or figure it all out.  Oh well. 
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Reply #20 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 4:20pm
 
You're welcome Vicky:

Here's an example of a feeling I ignored. I received it before I made conscious contact with guidance. I got the feeling that I shouldn't park my car where I parked it. I ignored this feeling and when I returned to my car and I found that some cars got into accident  in a way that caused my parked car to sustain a lot of damage.

As I mentioned in the past I receive messages by hearing a voice, but such messages tend to be short and it is harder to be certain of who they came from.

There have been occasions when I received a lot of words but I have to be more disconnected from the physical than usual in order to receive them in such a way, and my short-term memory doesn't tend to retain what I heard.

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Reply #21 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 7:42pm
 
I have a question for you...when you got the feeling about not parking the car there, do you remember if it was a positive feeling like a suggestion of good advice but you just ignored it?  Or would you say it was a bad feeling, like a warning or a feeling like something bad was going to happen?  I'm just curious how you remember perceiving the feeling.
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Reply #22 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:34pm
 
Vicky:

Just a hunch that I better not park here.
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Reply #23 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 1:48am
 
  One of the deepest things i have learned, from going deep within, is that one of the reasons, the primary reason, we are here is to "retrieve" the dense physical. 

   Particularly we do this by raising, speeding up the vibration of our own physical bodies, and also influencing others vibrations but in a way that respects freewill. 

   It is when, one aspect or "probe" of our Expanded Consciousness Essence while still in-physical, completes this process and converts their slow, dense physical body vibratory patterns into pure, super fast vibratory Expanded and free Light, that they truly come to know and experience what Yeshua called their "Sonship Eternal". 

  It is necessary, for the dense physical, is or represents that most stuck and splintered off parts of self, which started to happen originally in a pure consciousness state before the dense physical and temporary reality was even manifested.  The Earth was originally created in a less dense state--perhaps we could call it "physical", but it was not like the physical we know and focus in today.

  This happened through the experience and choosing of the little self, over the Whole self, and this is when fear was first experienced.  Fear was not known before then, and it's this selfishness and fear, which is being redeemed and retrieved by our efforts within the physical focus aka the most stuck, splintered and distorted part of ourselves. 

  Unless one is communicating with an individual who has completed this process, or you are one who completed this process, you will not know or understand or perceive what this is all truly about.  In what little humility i do have, i have decided to call upon and commune with one who has completed this process and i get info from him knowing that he is even more expanded and aware than my own E.C.E. 

  This is why it's so important to be more Yang and active in this process while here focusing on this aspect or level of self.  This is what will set self and others free.  We are kidding ourselves and deluding ourselves if we think we are free.  If we were free and not confined within our own self and collective created bondage, there would be no need for traditional retrievals of the kind most commonly talked about here. 

  If our efforts at growth, are mostly about the little self, then we can and will only reach so far in this process, but if we dedicate ourselves to affecting this completion because we care more about the Whole than our little selves, then if we truly live that daily, we can and WILL fulfill this, just as Yeshua did and this is why it's scheduled that other Christs will arise amongst us, for so many have forgotten him, his messages, and his example and what they all truly mean, imply, and entail. 

  Too many in this world focus too much on their little selves, and this is the root of all the problems and suffering in this world, both for each little self and for humanity as a whole. 
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